Marcus Grodi, The Journey Home; Ten verses master list…

I’ve completed my series on Marcus Grodi’s list of ten verses (presented on The Journey Home on EWTN) that he says made him reconsider the Roman church.  These are verse he states that he never really “read” before in protestant circles, even when he was a preacher; verses that he felt contributed to his eventually becoming RC after they were brought to his attention.  I’ve taken each verse and examined it within its proper context, and even language when necessary.  In short, I see no evidence that these verses support an RC position…quite the opposite in fact.  Each link will take you to my blog post that is dedicated to that verse(s).

1) Proverbs 3:5-6; Catholic verses? Part 1

2) 1 Timothy 3:14-15; Catholic verses? Part 2

3) 2 Timothy 3:14-17; Catholic verses? Part 3

4) 2 Thessalonians 2:15; Catholic verses? Part 4

5) Matthew 16:13-19; Catholic verses? Part 5a and Catholic verses? Part 5b

6) Revelation 14:13; Catholic verses? Part 6

7) Romans 10:14-15; Catholic verses? Part 7

8 ) John 15:4; Catholic verses? Part 8

9) Colossians 1:24; Catholic verses? Part 9

10) Luke 1:46-49; Catholic verses? Part 10

Please do remember that I firmly uphold the fact that someone can be in/from the RC, or any other Christian denomination and be saved, and I have many good friends who are indeed RC.  As long as a person’s faith rests solely in God (The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), I do consider that person to be a brother/sister in Christ.  That being said, when I find teaching that contradicts scripture, no matter what denomination is putting it forward, I think it deserves to be discussed in a respectful manner, with our eyes toward discovering the truth with the help of the Holy Spirit.  If people read my “ministry reviews” they should be able to tell that I point out the flaws that I feel even my favorite teachers, and ministries have in their teachings…I did not write these blog posts to “pick on” anyone; rather I wrote them to make people stop and think and research these things to come to the truth…even myself if the situation warrants it, I always learn a lot from digging into scripture no matter what the reason.

Along those same lines, no one should ever blindly trust me to get something right; everything I teach or say should indeed be held up to scripture, and mulled over with the help of the Spirit.

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8 responses to “Marcus Grodi, The Journey Home; Ten verses master list…

  1. Trish

    You and I agree that the Holy Spirit teaches us from Scripture. But I observe that there are now nearly 30,000 Bible-based Christian religions, all presumably inspired by the Holy Spirit. I don’t understand. Can there be 30,000 Holy Spirits? Did the Spirit change the truth 30,000 times?
    If I dispute with my believing brother and we cannot agree, how do I, as Paul said, and “take it to the Church?” Where do we go? How does one know which Church is the one that Christ prayed for–that “they may all be one”?

  2. Kliska

    Welll…your wording is a bit odd to me. “There are now nearly 30,000 Bible-based Christian religions?” Nope, there’s only One. Being Christian is kinda like being pregnant…you either are or are not, regardless of what kind of man-made label we claim.

    Here’s the deal; Paul himself teaches that there are “essentials” in the Christian faith. Then, there are those things that fall to each believer to either “believe” or not…eating meat for example, more than likely things like pork…or in more modern debates; drinking alcohol.

    There are also many cases of straining out gnats. There’s freedom in Christ to disagree with each other, and yes, it’s a sad thing that congregations split over gnats. But it is also true that congregations have split over false teaching that deserves to be debated as well. It’s when organizational man-made churches start straying from the Apostle’s teachings found in scripture that we start having a problem, then it becomes right to move away from that organizational church, but that does not mean you stop being a member of The Church.

    Provide scripture for context if I don’t address specifically what you are talking about here; taking it to the church would be taking a community matter (things that involve oneself and another of a community) to the assembly, who are fellow believers and fellow servants…not some kind of formal organizational model with a special type of priesthood at the head of it (save the priesthood of Christ).

    The other thing that I believe is missing here is the idea of the individual in relation to God. It is our individual relationships with God that are the salvational issues, as well as issues of sanctification. The individual automatically becomes part of the Church upon faithing on Christ…therefore there is indeed only one Church made up of all believers everywhere, throughout all time, again regardless of denominational titles. Being saved places one in the Church, belonging to a church does not make one saved.

  3. Ken

    Kliska,
    I believe your answer ignores the very issues you attempt to address. Belief in Christ requires a faith in Christ. Faith is not a one liner, or a one-way proclamation but a living thing that requires works to define it; (bible in James): “Faith without works is dead”.
    The primary problem with your definition of a common belief in Christ is that in the Protestant world this common belief doesn’t really exist. The denominations did not separate on gnat issues, but on what it really means to believe in Christ with a living Faith. In essence, they disagree on what these “essentials” you refer to are….and these differences are not gnats. No, sadly they are demonstrated by the actions and inactions that define their faith. How, for example, can many of the good pregnant Christians you refer to justify abortion? yet many do.

    Read the writings of the early Church Fathers, those that lived at the time and after the time of the apostles. Therein you will find the teachings and Traditions of the Catholic Church; unchanged and consistently taught for 2000 years. You will also find the first catechism in the early first century (called the Didache) which noted abortion as a grave moral sin.

    Sadly however (as demonstrated by Pelosi), we recognize that doesn’t mean that all Catholics follow or even understand what their Church teaches.

    • Kliska

      It doesn’t ignore the issues at all. Salvation and sanctification are about faith and grace, never about works. It is very important to recognize the teachings of Paul, who was the apostle to the gentiles. Paul’s work makes it crystal clear, and others refer to Paul’s writings as scripture. James, therefore, cannot be seen to contradict Paul. James must be correctly interpreted in its context, and it must be recognized that we protestants do not discount evidences of faith, such as the fruit of the Spirit, but rather, we know precisely where they originate from; God Himself. We can no more force good works than we could save ourselves. Salvation and sanctification is through faith alone. Good works are not requisite, they are an overflow, an outpouring of the Spirit that we are sealed with upon salvation.

      Common belief does exist, Ken. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. God does not make empty promises. Even the RC recognizes common beliefs amongst Christians, and many protestants don’t condemn people to Hell for taking on the label Roman Catholic, I certainly don’t. So what differentiates a saint from everyone else? That they are saved, totally and completely by their faith on and in Jesus Christ. No man has power over God, nor His word. It never teaches that there is anyone, nor anything else we are to follow, to faith on, save Christ. Mark 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

      Abortion is a work; a horrid, terrible work that should be secularly against the law. It is a sin. That sin is not any greater, nor any less than any other sin. That sin, any sin, is not strong enough to separate a believer from God. Jesus paid for them all, even abortion. That does not justify abortion, nor any other sin, as Paul clearly taught, but sin has no more power over a believer once they come to faith in Christ. That does not mean a believer won’t sin, but it does mean that that sin is forgiven in Christ.

      There are several logical fallacies in your last claim; first, the early church was not RC. The first organized church was the church at Jerusalem, and everyone, including Peter, rightly or wrongly, was under James the brother of Jesus. The other churches were small gatherings of believers from household to household or from town to town, and charge of the gentiles was given to Paul. Secondly, many RC teachings directly contradict scripture which is our much more direct link to the apostle’s teachings. Third, it is plainly taught that false teaching had already entered into the church at the time of Paul. Paul had to correct it, and he warned that it would continue to happen. So, when faced with a choice between what some “early church father” taught and what scripture teaches, we should go with scripture. Now, before you state that many church fathers were taught by apostles, please note that the false teachers in the earliest churches were too, that did not stop false teaching.

  4. Dear Mr. Grodi,

    My wife and I watch your Journey Home program on EWTN whenever your program is broadcast and we are at home able to tune it in.

    The stories of how each of your guests return to the truth of our Catholic Church are indicative of the Grace of God working in every soul seeking His truth.

    Most of your female guests dress modestly, which is to be complimented in this age in which most women today are scantily dressed on and off camera. However, I regret to say that your recent guess, Ms. Maria Hasselgrean immodestly exposed her knees and part of her thighs while discussing her journey back to the True Church.

    I know it is difficult to tell women how to dress during the course of the day, but I hope you can, in some inoffensive manner, make known to all future female guests, that they should dress modestly and commensurate with the subject of their conversions to the true Church of Christ.

    I appreciate your attention in this manner.

    Yours in Christ the King,

    Frank C Marino

    • Kliska

      I’m sorry Mr. Marino, but this blog is not a part of The Journey Home program, nor is it Mr. Grodi’s blog. In fact, this set of articles is against conversion to the Roman Catholic church. I am a protestant believer who denies the RC as the “one True Church” and instead affirms scripture that the One True Church is the one Christ instituted upon Himself and is made up of all true believers, including those that label themselves Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Anglican, Lutheran, etc… You can check out my refutation of Grodi’s stance on many verses that is claimed pertain to the RC church if interested.

      Grace and Peace,
      Kliska

  5. Diana

    Dear Scribbler:
    I like your site.
    I am a 40 yr. Old catholic woman.
    I studied at a renowned Catholic university, lived in a convent outside of Rome for 3 years, I met the late Pope John Paul II and have been a believer in Jesus Christ since a young age. I tell you this so as to paint a picture of my background. All of that pales in comparison to what i will now tell you.
    I was ‘saved’ a few weeks ago, a very unexpected, unplanned experience in a classroom I was not even supposed to be at! Since then, My joy in the Lord is beautiful! I thirst like never before for the word of God. I am a busy Mom of two, a wife of 11years, working 2 part-time jobs & hold 3 volunteer positions. In my spare time, I read Scripture & study the history of Christianity & what it means to be a Believer! So many are trained to focus on who is right/wrong & so many Catholics miss the boat of what it means to be a believer.
    Anyhow, I am still Catholic. I am studying voraciously so as to see, to understand, to make my own decision as to my future in the RC Church. I did a search on Grodi which is how i came upon your site.
    It is really the first time in my life that I have started to do all the research myself. I am no longer taking “fr. Joe’s” word on it, or the Pope’s word on it… I want to know what happened when & where & then make up my own mind. In this new road, I have extreme peace/joy Christ Jesus my savior , yet b/c of this new life (& study)in me, I experience great fear & anxiety. Do you have any words of wisdom for me? Can you pray for me?
    Thank you!

    • Kliska

      Well, first of all; I’m glad that you have a renewal of faith and perhaps a new understanding of God’s wonderful Grace and Love toward us! Keep digging in scripture and pray; the Holy Spirit promises to lead and guide us believers. You are not bound to listen to man (be it the pope, or me lol), but rather you are to listen to The Father. The Bible says to fret, or fear not, don’t be anxious in your question, God is quick to reveal Himself to us if we seek Him, and also it says wisdom is available to all who asks.

      Independent study may be new to you, but that is exactly what every believer, regardless of denomination needs to do. Regardless if you still call yourself a Catholic or not, make sure you are firmly grounded in faith, and understand that our works can’t save us, Christ alone can do that by grace through faith. Feel free to read my other articles and let me know if you have questions; you pray for me and I’ll pray for you!

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